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		<title>Comment on Piper on Pleasures by r. a. siedschlag</title>
		<link>http://seeingclearly.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/piper-on-pleasures/#comment-1875</link>
		<dc:creator>r. a. siedschlag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm, interesting food for thought, especially that last sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm, interesting food for thought, especially that last sentence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 15 Reasons I Don&#8217;t Often Call Myself &#8220;Evangelical&#8221; in My Community by r. a. siedschlag</title>
		<link>http://seeingclearly.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/15-reasons-i-dont-often-call-myself-evangelical-in-my-community/#comment-1874</link>
		<dc:creator>r. a. siedschlag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i appreciate your posting of this. amen to number 8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i appreciate your posting of this. amen to number 8.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Piper on Pleasures by Dave</title>
		<link>http://seeingclearly.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/piper-on-pleasures/#comment-1873</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

I think you are over-reacting with the gnosticism bit; he&#039;s saying that we should not prize the gifts without prizing the giver, without realizing that gifts ultimately point to the giver whom we should prize above all else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>I think you are over-reacting with the gnosticism bit; he&#8217;s saying that we should not prize the gifts without prizing the giver, without realizing that gifts ultimately point to the giver whom we should prize above all else.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Piper on Pleasures by Phil Miller</title>
		<link>http://seeingclearly.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/piper-on-pleasures/#comment-1872</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually respect John Piper to a large degree even though I disagree with much of what he has to say, but this quote sounds like pure gnosticism.  What&#039;s wrong with enjoying warm bread or cold water simply for what they are?  Why do they have to spiritualized in such a way?  Certainly every blessing comes from the Father ultimately, but this just strikes me as odd superspirituality.  But then again I disagree with Piper&#039;s assertion that God is a narcissist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually respect John Piper to a large degree even though I disagree with much of what he has to say, but this quote sounds like pure gnosticism.  What&#8217;s wrong with enjoying warm bread or cold water simply for what they are?  Why do they have to spiritualized in such a way?  Certainly every blessing comes from the Father ultimately, but this just strikes me as odd superspirituality.  But then again I disagree with Piper&#8217;s assertion that God is a narcissist.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 15 Reasons I Don&#8217;t Often Call Myself &#8220;Evangelical&#8221; in My Community by Travis</title>
		<link>http://seeingclearly.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/15-reasons-i-dont-often-call-myself-evangelical-in-my-community/#comment-1871</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree jeans and a blazer is way better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree jeans and a blazer is way better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on From the Front-lines: Unitarian Universalist by Witnessing to a Unitarian Universalist &#171; . . . and the world hears them</title>
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		<dc:creator>Witnessing to a Unitarian Universalist &#171; . . . and the world hears them</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s his story: [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Spencer Burke: More on hell and universalism by clearly</title>
		<link>http://seeingclearly.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/brian-mclaren-rob-bell-spencer-burke-more-on-hell-and-universalism/#comment-1869</link>
		<dc:creator>clearly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rene, 

You error is couched in generosity and seeming kindness, but it&#039;s still error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rene, </p>
<p>You error is couched in generosity and seeming kindness, but it&#8217;s still error.</p>
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		<title>Comment on From the Front-lines: Unitarian Universalist by clearly</title>
		<link>http://seeingclearly.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/front-lines-unitarian-universalist/#comment-1868</link>
		<dc:creator>clearly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yvonne, absolutely! Just provide a link to the original source. I am pleased that you are benefitting from these posts...may God give you boldness as you witness as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yvonne, absolutely! Just provide a link to the original source. I am pleased that you are benefitting from these posts&#8230;may God give you boldness as you witness as well!</p>
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		<title>Comment on From the Front-lines: Unitarian Universalist by Yvonne</title>
		<link>http://seeingclearly.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/front-lines-unitarian-universalist/#comment-1867</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just found your site and love how you share your witnessing.  

May I reprint this &#039;From the Front Lines&#039; post on my own blog?  

Thanks &amp; blessings!
Yvonne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just found your site and love how you share your witnessing.  </p>
<p>May I reprint this &#8216;From the Front Lines&#8217; post on my own blog?  </p>
<p>Thanks &amp; blessings!<br />
Yvonne</p>
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		<title>Comment on Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Spencer Burke: More on hell and universalism by René Barrow</title>
		<link>http://seeingclearly.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/brian-mclaren-rob-bell-spencer-burke-more-on-hell-and-universalism/#comment-1862</link>
		<dc:creator>René Barrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post!

I appreciate it...so glad to hear there are more Universalists nowadays!

I was a conservative Evangelical missionary in the past...I was so conservative I didn&#039;t believe in kissing before marriage! I even called everyone who believed in Annihilation heretics - people like John Stott, Nicky Gumbel and John Wenham. I was definitely a defender of Eternal Torment.

Then I went to theological college...and read about Augustine, Gregory of Nyssa, Theodore of Mopsuestia, Clement of Alexandria, studied some New Testament Greek, and researched into the Early Church doctrines of Theosis, Apocatastasis and Irenaeus&#039; pre-Augustinian theodicy.

And realised...pretty simply...Evangelical theology is simply Roman Catholic theology in &#039;Saved by Faith&#039; clothing (not by Grace).

Evangelicals are just followers of St. Augustine&#039;s interpretations.

Good old Augustine of course couldn&#039;t read Greek, and believed all babies would go to hell forever unless they were baptised in water...Good old Jonathon Edwards believed that God would roast non-Christian babies over the flames of hell.


Now, I&#039;m definitely a liberal Universalist follower of Jesus!

As my conservative Evangelical friends say, &quot;There are no dumb liberals are there?&quot;

:)

All the best!

René</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post!</p>
<p>I appreciate it&#8230;so glad to hear there are more Universalists nowadays!</p>
<p>I was a conservative Evangelical missionary in the past&#8230;I was so conservative I didn&#8217;t believe in kissing before marriage! I even called everyone who believed in Annihilation heretics &#8211; people like John Stott, Nicky Gumbel and John Wenham. I was definitely a defender of Eternal Torment.</p>
<p>Then I went to theological college&#8230;and read about Augustine, Gregory of Nyssa, Theodore of Mopsuestia, Clement of Alexandria, studied some New Testament Greek, and researched into the Early Church doctrines of Theosis, Apocatastasis and Irenaeus&#8217; pre-Augustinian theodicy.</p>
<p>And realised&#8230;pretty simply&#8230;Evangelical theology is simply Roman Catholic theology in &#8216;Saved by Faith&#8217; clothing (not by Grace).</p>
<p>Evangelicals are just followers of St. Augustine&#8217;s interpretations.</p>
<p>Good old Augustine of course couldn&#8217;t read Greek, and believed all babies would go to hell forever unless they were baptised in water&#8230;Good old Jonathon Edwards believed that God would roast non-Christian babies over the flames of hell.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m definitely a liberal Universalist follower of Jesus!</p>
<p>As my conservative Evangelical friends say, &#8220;There are no dumb liberals are there?&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>All the best!</p>
<p>René</p>
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		<title>Comment on From the Front-lines: Unitarian Universalist by Melinda Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently read &quot;Here if You Need Me,&quot; the autobiography of a Unitarian Universalist chaplain. Interesting insight. Your perspective is fairly accurate.

We, too, have found that conversations about the whys and wherefores of individuals&#039; belief systems are fascinating. Inviting them to consider Jesus accurately rather than through their grid of personal bias is an experience that never ceases to amaze me. It&#039;s all grace and mercy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently read &#8220;Here if You Need Me,&#8221; the autobiography of a Unitarian Universalist chaplain. Interesting insight. Your perspective is fairly accurate.</p>
<p>We, too, have found that conversations about the whys and wherefores of individuals&#8217; belief systems are fascinating. Inviting them to consider Jesus accurately rather than through their grid of personal bias is an experience that never ceases to amaze me. It&#8217;s all grace and mercy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Church Mad Lib by clearly</title>
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		<dc:creator>clearly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, it was a good quote, but after reading the whole book, I take the part back about it being worth the $11 I spent on it. Unfortunately, while I agree with the authors and love the church, this book was sadly disappointing. It read like a forced blog-posted mixed with book reviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, it was a good quote, but after reading the whole book, I take the part back about it being worth the $11 I spent on it. Unfortunately, while I agree with the authors and love the church, this book was sadly disappointing. It read like a forced blog-posted mixed with book reviews.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Consistency in Hymn Selection by clearly</title>
		<link>http://seeingclearly.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/consistency-in-hymn-selection/#comment-1856</link>
		<dc:creator>clearly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melinda, good to hear from you! Please greet Jason for me...we still remember a great time in Steamboat! 

BTW, Emiley and I have been doing a lot of networking and evangelism in area coffee shops:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melinda, good to hear from you! Please greet Jason for me&#8230;we still remember a great time in Steamboat! </p>
<p>BTW, Emiley and I have been doing a lot of networking and evangelism in area coffee shops:)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Consistency in Hymn Selection by Melinda Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with not singing patriotic songs as the Body of Christ, gathered to worship Him. We&#039;ve never thought that fit. We also avoid &quot;Coming Again&quot; (can&#039;t you just hear the &quot;oom-pa-pah&quot; on the chorus?), &quot;Like a River Glorious&quot; (can&#039;t agree with the Keswick theology it reflects), the original version of &quot;So Send I You&quot; (can&#039;t stand singing such a glum view of a life invested in serving Christ, not to mention that the author repented of her original words and rewrote the song), &quot;We&#039;ve a Story to Tell to the Nations&quot; (don&#039;t agree with the amillennial theology), most of the songs that dwell on sunshine or bells ringing in my heart (haven&#039;t found either one in Scripture yet), and &quot;Hold the Fort&quot; (the picture of believers cowering behind the walls waiting for deliverance doesn&#039;t match the picture in Matthew 16 of believers storming the gates of hell; so if we do sing this song, Jason changes the chorus to &quot;Storm the gates, for I am coming&quot;). That&#039;s just the beginning; it&#039;s amazing how many poorly written, theologically anemic songs fill our traditional hymnody. I&#039;m glad you&#039;re working through the process of choosing rich songs for your church. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with not singing patriotic songs as the Body of Christ, gathered to worship Him. We&#8217;ve never thought that fit. We also avoid &#8220;Coming Again&#8221; (can&#8217;t you just hear the &#8220;oom-pa-pah&#8221; on the chorus?), &#8220;Like a River Glorious&#8221; (can&#8217;t agree with the Keswick theology it reflects), the original version of &#8220;So Send I You&#8221; (can&#8217;t stand singing such a glum view of a life invested in serving Christ, not to mention that the author repented of her original words and rewrote the song), &#8220;We&#8217;ve a Story to Tell to the Nations&#8221; (don&#8217;t agree with the amillennial theology), most of the songs that dwell on sunshine or bells ringing in my heart (haven&#8217;t found either one in Scripture yet), and &#8220;Hold the Fort&#8221; (the picture of believers cowering behind the walls waiting for deliverance doesn&#8217;t match the picture in Matthew 16 of believers storming the gates of hell; so if we do sing this song, Jason changes the chorus to &#8220;Storm the gates, for I am coming&#8221;). That&#8217;s just the beginning; it&#8217;s amazing how many poorly written, theologically anemic songs fill our traditional hymnody. I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re working through the process of choosing rich songs for your church. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Church Services, for the Believer by Dan Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly,

Thank you for your thoughts. If I am in error in my thinking, I really do want to know it and correct it as need be.

Regarding Paul&#039;s Damascus Road experience, if we say that Paul had a unique encounter with Jesus there, and that that gives him special authority, then I would ask about the many others who have also had unique encounters with the risen Jesus - what about them? What about their writings? Are they, also, scripture? For example, check out how God is moving in the Muslim world today. So many there are having miraculous encounters with Jesus - either through dreams and visions, or through Damascus-road type encounters. One inspiring case of the latter is found in The Torn Veil, an autobiography by Gulshan Esther from Pakistan. I encourage you to find and read this story. Check out the description of it on Amazon or Wikipedia if nothing else.

Others, as well, such as she, have also been commissioned by Jesus as messengers/sent ones to their people. Would Jesus do any less? Are not missionaries today apostles who preach a message given by Jesus? If we believe his words are recorded correctly (and we do), then the message is as direct from Jesus as if he appeared in person to each one of us. And, as Jesus says, blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly,</p>
<p>Thank you for your thoughts. If I am in error in my thinking, I really do want to know it and correct it as need be.</p>
<p>Regarding Paul&#8217;s Damascus Road experience, if we say that Paul had a unique encounter with Jesus there, and that that gives him special authority, then I would ask about the many others who have also had unique encounters with the risen Jesus &#8211; what about them? What about their writings? Are they, also, scripture? For example, check out how God is moving in the Muslim world today. So many there are having miraculous encounters with Jesus &#8211; either through dreams and visions, or through Damascus-road type encounters. One inspiring case of the latter is found in The Torn Veil, an autobiography by Gulshan Esther from Pakistan. I encourage you to find and read this story. Check out the description of it on Amazon or Wikipedia if nothing else.</p>
<p>Others, as well, such as she, have also been commissioned by Jesus as messengers/sent ones to their people. Would Jesus do any less? Are not missionaries today apostles who preach a message given by Jesus? If we believe his words are recorded correctly (and we do), then the message is as direct from Jesus as if he appeared in person to each one of us. And, as Jesus says, blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.</p>
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