Dr. MacArthur on McLaren…

Pastor Ken Silva of Apprising Ministries brings this story which includes an audio interview of Dr. John MacArthur.

Brian McLaren continues to attack the body of Christ by infusing toxic venom into her bloodstream. After being asked a simple question concerning eternal destinations, McLaren responds,

“I have a problem with people asking me this question, because it assumes that the primary reason of Jesus coming and the primary message of Jesus was a message of how to get to heaven.

  1. #1 by clearly on July 17, 2007 - 3:42 pm

    As a side note:

    Is there a significant “now element” of salvation? Yes. Eternal life starts at the moment of salvation — but it’s culmination is in heaven which will last for eternity. If our hope is in this world alone, or if our eternal life only has impact on my life today, I am most miserable. I forget who first said this or else I would give them credit — the entire E/E movement is flawed by an over-realized eschatology. In other words, they over-stress the “now element” of salvation and the kingdom and they fail to realize the overwhelming shortness of our time on this earth.

    What did Jesus teach?

    Matthew 7:13-14

    Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

    ***I will leave the comments on for now, but if this thread turns into one of those never-ending discussions on the kingdom, I will cut it off. Please limit all interactions to discussions of the issue at hand — heaven and hell as they relate to the teachings of Jesus.

  2. #2 by bob on July 17, 2007 - 6:11 pm

    Christ came for this reason-

    that they might know thee, God the Father, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

  3. #3 by jhorneck3723 on July 17, 2007 - 9:32 pm

    I Ti. 1:15 “…Christ Jesus came into the world TO SAVE SINNERS, of whom I am chief.”

    That seems like a pretty clear declaration of purpose to me

  4. #4 by clearly on July 17, 2007 - 9:55 pm

    hey bob,

    would you agree that the overwhelming emphasis of knowing God is on eternity where God can be experienced perfectly — face to face?

  5. #5 by Phil on July 18, 2007 - 4:41 am

    I think the question of “why did Christ come to earth” is one that can be answered in a multitude of ways, and there is not necessarily one correct answer.

    As far your comment, “Eternal life starts at the moment of salvation”. I would agree completely. I don’t think there’s a need to put a “but” after it. It seems to me this whole discussion hinges on some extent on the nature of “heaven”. If we think of heaven as a place where we will be disembodied spirits, which seems to be what a lot of Christians think now, then it makes total sense to focus completely on heaven and leaving the earth. The problem with this view is that it’s not really biblical.

    The Bible talks about a bodily resuurection, and a restored, renewed earth, and Christ restoring all things to the way God intended them. So I think God wants to restore physical “stuff” not just “spiritual”, and the problem seems that people view those two things as completely different, when in reality they’re intertwined. To create a drastic separation is gnosticism.

    So I think we need to be careful to not create a false dichotomy. The main thing about our lives on earth, is yes they are very temporary, but it really the only chance we get to bring others with us into future with God whatever it looks like.

    By the way, I can’t listen to audio on this computer, so I didn’t get a chance to watch that video yet. I don’t want to try to comment specifically on that without seeing it for myself.

  6. #6 by clearly on July 18, 2007 - 8:38 am


    You are right the 1000 year kingdom needs to be discussed somewhat in this thread. Clearly, that is part of eternal life. However, there is an eternal state as well where people will exist in either heaven or hell. If a man misses this, then they may as well miss everything else because infinity cannot be compared to any finite time.

    We cannot know God for eternity unless we are with him…

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