This is the best blog post I have ever read…


Tim Challies writes the best paragraph on Emerging/Emergent that I have ever read.

Kudos, Tim.

Allow me to add to Tim’s “you may be emergent if” list.

1. You love Jesus but hate what Paul has done with his teachings.

2. You pray the rosary even if you aren’t a Catholic.

3. You listen to Bruce Springsteen to receive sacramental grace.

4. You have a coexist bumper sticker on your fuel efficient, foreign vehicle.

5. You use phrases like “platonic dualism” with your church members. Actually, you don’t believe in church membership; you just choose to live in covenant community.

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  1. #1 by Raquel on April 1, 2008 - 8:19 am

    That was HILARIOUS… because I’m not sure that an emergent-type would/could disagree.

    I’m still laughing.

  2. #2 by bob on April 1, 2008 - 10:09 am

    i can’t wait to get my coexist bumper sticker to put on my car. unfortunately, it’s neither foreign, nor fuel efficient. i don’t pray. i’m not big on bruce either.

    2 1/2 out of five won’t get me kicked out of the movement will it dave?

  3. #3 by Phil Miller on April 1, 2008 - 10:26 am

    Meh…Challies can certainly do better than that if he tries. Not everyone who is sympathetic to the Emergent movement is a political leftist. I voted for Bush twice, and I’d vote for pretty much any Republican over Hillary or Obama.

    I should start my own list of “you may be a fundamentalist if”. I think the first one would be “if you still can’t listen to Amy Grant because she sold Christians out.” 🙂

  4. #4 by clearly on April 1, 2008 - 10:34 am

    “Not everyone who is sympathetic to the Emergent movement is a political leftist.”

    Thus the title of the list says, “you might be…”

  5. #5 by clearly on April 1, 2008 - 6:11 pm

    bob,

    I respect how honest and open you are; I would much rather that once-fundamentalists would simply admit that they are “part of the movement” (emerging/emergent that is) instead of refusing labels and remaining in their fundamentalist churches.

    You really believe #1? This coming from a guy that has most of the Pauline corpus memorized?!?!

  6. #6 by bob on April 2, 2008 - 9:26 am

    dave,

    i’m in love with the faith community i’m a part of now. it’s the closest thing to koinonia i’ve ever experienced. love it love it love it.

    yeah, not too big on the pauline epistles. or most of the old testament for that matter. YHWH was pretty vindictive and i can’t reconcile that with the Way Truth and Life.

  7. #7 by Nicole on April 2, 2008 - 11:43 am

    seriously? Christ spends SOOO much time in His ministry talking about all the OT Scriptures He came to fulfill….

  8. #8 by Slim on April 2, 2008 - 3:15 pm

    to add to Nicole’s comment: doesn’t Paul’s writings confirm Christ’s fulfillment of the OT Scriptures which Jesus said he was there to fulfill?

  9. #9 by gbfluteman on April 2, 2008 - 10:32 pm

    In regards to the Amy Grant thing, it’s not because she “sold Christianity out.” She divorced and married the guy from her music videos, and then tried to claim she did nothing wrong or sinful. I know. I grew up listening to her stuff as well as Michael W. Smith’s stuff that crossed over in the 80’s and 90’s (that was long before I received Christ as my Savior in ’98; by that point, I’d stopped listening courtesy of the hypocrisy and that it was outdated).

  10. #10 by gbfluteman on April 2, 2008 - 10:41 pm

    If you don’t trust one part of Scripture, you trust none of it. Christ makes this point clear by proving His claims as Messiah with one word in two sets of arguments (different words; one from exodus and the other from Psalm; I believe that discussion is in Matthew 25, but can’t remember right off as it’s too late and I need sleep; Oh, and not only is it one word, but his whole argument from the Moses one is based on the tense of the word; Christ is saying that not only was the thought-for-thought writings of Torah correct, but so was the word-for-word part). If it’s not accurate, who determines what parts aren’t accurate? Clearly not God, since we can’t trust Him to give us an accurate revelation, then. So, it’s up to man? Not good, not good, at all. If we can’t trust Genesis 1, where do we start trusting The Bible as accurate history? How do we reconcile God’s justice and holiness with His grace and mercy? It’s all there in the O.T. That’s what Peter and Paul used for their preaching. That’s partly why it was quoted so much as the Holy Spirit lead them to write.

  11. #11 by Phil Miller on April 3, 2008 - 4:49 am

    gbfluteman,
    Thank you for proving my point! LOL! No one holds a grudge like Christians…

    By the way, she married Vince Gill, who was a somewhat big Country star, and I don’t think she was happy about the divorce at all. It’s just funny to me that people still treat her like some sort of traitor.

    It just goes to show that anyone can make one of these lists pretty easily. Frankly, I think it’s just kind of sad that we do things to reinforce division in the body of Christ, rather than try to find common ground.

  12. #12 by Raquel on April 4, 2008 - 11:18 am

    phil,

    no one holds a grudge like Christians?? for a group of people (emergent/ent/whatever) who don’t want to be put into boxes, and aim not to put others in to them… somehow it magically gets done anyhow, doesn’t it?

    and on the ‘holding a grudge’ note, I’ve noticed that it’s a human thing. some fall into that particular category of sin more than others – like some fall into the category of lust more than others. not a Christian/non-Christian issue. just a human issue.

    …please tell me that you can agree with that…

  13. #13 by Samuel Laurence Guzman on April 7, 2008 - 7:46 pm

    You both forgot to add “if you wear funky glasses and turtle-necks” to your list. Challies’ post was funny 🙂

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